I'm going to respond one more time and then move on to other things.
But I think this is good.
This is helping me think about things and clear things up in my head, so I'll keep talking:
I think what said is depressing.
I think the fact that high population density equals capitalism is depressing.
I'm not Milten Friedman talking about the joys of capitalism.
I'm Dostoevsky going, "Well, this what we have to work with."
Two completely different emotions going on.
"nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."
This is a good amendment.
It keeps the government from stealing the goods of the people.
But it does not state that the government may produce its own goods.
It grants the right to the government to grow food, make shoes, and have its own oil companies.
What it also states is that if the government needs to take over a sector of the economy or business, it has to pay for it.
And what is the opposite of paying for it?
It is shooting people for it.
Which is horrible, ugly and mean.
I prefer that the government pays for things and not shoot people for them.
“slowly becoming a socialist state.”
This is a good question:
What I mean is this:
We are pragmatically becoming a socialist state.
When a company that is 'too big to fail' fails. Society steps in and considers it part of their infrastructure.
Our main problem in the last decades is that economic sectors have become part of the infrastructure and we didn't notice.
Now we noticing that there are private businesses in society that have become integral in society.
Nobody thought cars, banks, finance, were going to become part of the infrastructure.
I would bet in a few years we are going to find out that trucking and railroads will be part of it also.
The difference lies in the philosophy behind it:
America and Europe made a pragmatic decision to solve the banking crisis with bailouts.
A Marxist decision would have been to take all the bankers, shoot them or imprison them and take their banks.
Even if I think some of those bankers deserve to die for being such greedy assholes. Most of them were probably just people doing their job, which is normal human behavior, and we shouldn't be killing people for that.
I did not state "marx's utopia", I stated utopia, which is having security and the finer things of life.
Americans can get a lot, and have a lot. And what they did with it shows me that even if there was no exploitation they would just do drugs and watch television.
It is depressing, I know, but I didn't make humans the way they are, they were here, acting fucked up, before I ever got here.
To conclude capitalism is not awesome.
It is alienating, it makes people feel alone, it subjects them to the market, it subjects them to being the enemies of their co-workers, it subjects them to having their money stolen from them. It subjects people to never owning their own means of production.
The capitalists have taken the land, the streets, and the plazas.
But I believe in rights, in being a citizen, in democracy, and I never wanted to believe and it makes me depressed to deal with on a daily basis, but my fellow humans on average want their to be a hierarchy, they want to talk about the rich, and like the idea that someone somewhere is sending out messages telling them what to do.
Most people like to be told what to do.
I do think that the world will become more socialist.
Engels and Marx were correct that large corporations would one day come into trouble, collapse and society will take charge of them.
Large economic sectors like health care, railroads, semi-trucks, cars, banking, oil, coal, natural gas, water, electricity, and a lot of farming I believe will be taken over by society in the next decade or so.
But it will be a pragmatic decision and not a marxist one.
There won't be a revolution.
I agree with Montesquieu functioning democratic states don't have revolutions. They may have a civil war every once and awhile, but for the most part a compromise will be made.
But for things like socks, shoes, pants, publishing houses, alarm clocks, it will remain in the public sector. Because they are products that involve an individual touch, which people like.
Providing water is not individual, everyone needs the same water.
The problem I see is that some economic sectors or instruments of production have taken on a larger role in our society than we ever imagined, and they remained in the private sector because they were able to handle themselves.
But as they collapse we will see that they were much more important and vital than we ever thought they were and will have to be bought by the govenment, maintained by the government, because the only way to keep them going is by everone pitching in the money to do it.